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Will dating really ruin an idol career in Japan? : terracehouse

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And when you consider that idols are almost always attractive, outgoing young women, it seems like it should be only a matter of time until they find a guy they fancy out of their swarms of would-be suitors. On any given day, you could be recording songs, practicing choreography, appearing on TV variety programs, or meeting fans face-to-face at handshake events and other local promotions. As mentioned above, idols have a huge variety of responsibilities, and talent managers ideally want them to be so busy with those that when their workday is done, the singers are too worn out to do anything other than head straight home and go right to sleep alone, naturally. This is also why some idol appearance agreements include riders about keeping the break room stocked with specific snacks or other items the idols are fond of. The conditions are often demanded by the talent agencies in order to keep the idols from wanting to venture off-site on their own to pick up their favorite brand of tea or candy.

Only a few idols survived with most of them disappearing from the spotlight. In order to stay in the industry, some idols enter the world of voice acting or other similar industries though they are not always entirely successful. Most of them look cute, pretty, and fresh-faced.

Though it seems like they are enjoying a dreamlike life, they are actually prevented from enjoying their private lives and many things are expected of them. For instance, they should have no boyfriends or girlfriends and should appear innocent without any romantic or sexual experience. Before becoming an idol, they have to sign a contract which states that they have to be chaste and not date anyone. Another expectation is that they should encourage fantasy relationships and not talk much about their true selves as the fandom values much of their being meek and weak.

Some J-pop idols trade their ability to have relationships for their fame. When a girl ages or dates a guy, she loses her marketability. However, it is said that in the previous years, the idols can actually keep their idol image until they want to retire. But as of now, some of them successfully become full-pledged actresses and singers rather than continuing to keep their idol image or being admired only for their looks.

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To make the idol culture more fun, the media sometimes fabricate contests between two or more idols based on the number of fans in an official club or records sold. Moreover, some of the things that idols say are carefully scripted although they can still show their true personalities.

It is said that in the past, idols can only receive a small amount of money but now they can already live modestly. It has already been said that female idols are definitely prohibited from dating as this will shatter their image.

In an internet survey Japanese only conducted among male college students in Japan, around Some of them voiced out that dating is a human right and that idols are human too.

An idol dating makes her seem more human as others say. Some also commented that if they continue the ban, idols will just date secretly. However, the remaining They don't feel the need to have a man to make them whole, or to experience first love when they are teenagers.

Many AKB girls have come out and said that there is a time and place for that sort of thing, but they have been given a gift and a chance to do something very few people in this world get to do, and they don't want to ruin their dedication and devotion to that gift of being an entertainer.

The rule which is actually a guideline, by the way, not even a real rule is in place to keep hormonal girls FOCUSED on being the best possible entertainers they can be, that's all. And it's also pretty common knowledge if you are an AKB fan and actually subscribe to all the things that AKB does that when a member of AKB finds real love, none of the girls, not management, nor any of the staff, believe it's their place to stand in the way of that.

The girl who finds real love is supported, not turned away, or shunned, or mistreated. She left AKB only recently. She wasn't screwed up at all by her decision to stay abstinent while in AKB She found real love real fast and now is a proud parent too. Kikuchi has been on several Japanese national magazines lately showing off her beautiful child, and all of her AKB friends are right there with her. I mean, she's one of many examples that disproves just how seedy and horrific it is to be an idol in Japan.

Seems to me like it helped prepare to be a great mother and a great wife, and she has a ton of self-respect for her, and a future career in the entertainment industry, all because she decided to join the terrible idol world that is full of managers and staffers who want only to exploit young 14 year olds and turn them into their money machines.

I'm not saying these girls or their legal guardians don't know what is in the contracts, I'm saying just because a worker signs a contract, it doesn't make a contract right with the demands it's asking. Labor history is filled with companies making absurd or criminal demands in their contracts like forcing people to work overtime with no pay or child labor in factories before child labor laws.

These companies are getting away with immoral demands because no one has stood up to them like what has happened in prior examples of unfair and unjust employment conditions.

It is actually really upsetting to think with all of these former idols out there that no one has stood up and demanded laws be changed for what the companies can ask of young girls. Cause the problem is, no matter how many girls refuse the contract, there are 10 more who will sign it and that makes it harder for anyone who wants fair treatment.

So, a law needs to happen so the desperate can be saved from themselves and the companies can be punished. The idol thing is a fake world based on illusion. They are basically talentless and far from innocent - so the illusion of talent and innocence is manufactured.

Harvey, you are looking at the contracts idols sign as though you are from the Western World. I suppose you probably have a problem with dogs getting eaten in Korea too. The problem is that in Japan, for over 20 plus years, the idol world has pretty much had the same subculture set up that nobody has a problem with except, apparently, westerners and outsiders who don't understand a thing about Japanese culture, the concept of working for the better of the group and not the individual, and even worse, just assume that the contract idols sign goes against child labor laws.

But whose laws are you referring too?

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Because I would think in 20 years by now, Japanese government would've shut this down if they had a problem with it. And since they don't have a problem with it, and the parents of the TEENAGE children don't have a problem with it, and the children who sign these contracts don't have a problem with it, then why do you? The industry had all but admitted that its core consumer demographic is middle-aged men.

Meanwhile, the youngest member of Morning Musume at debut: Youngest member of AKB48 at debut: The average age of Momoiro Clover at the time of their debut was 15 and they are currently planning a concert in Fukuoka for male fans only. That the marketing and sales strategies for these idols is centered almost exclusively on their sexuality is something that even their own managers openly admit, citing it as a cornerstone of their market value.

You are being intellectually dishonest to even suggest that these idols aren't being groomed to tap into the buying power of horny middle-aged men. Perverse is precisely the word I would choose to describe this kind of business model. We're talking about an industry whose sole product is predicated almost exclusively on its sexual titillation power, i. The dancing and singing are secondary to the real selling point. I know it. You know it. Their managers know it. These girls know it.

And worst of all, their parents know it. And don't even get me started on the absurdity of suggesting that if these girls' parents are okay with it, then everything must naturally be okay.

The entertainment world the globe over is littered with the tragic, broken wreckage of child entertainers whose parents pimped them out to the industry as a quick path to wealth and comfort under the hopes that their child would be the next big thing. Meanwhile, Japan consistently ranks in the th percentile for countries in terms of gender parity, with women at an overwhelming disadvantage as Japanese society trundles into the 21st century unabashedly favoring and extolling the virtues of a patriarchy that keeps men firmly at the peak of the economic and social pecking order.

Against this backdrop, any minor, particularly one who is 11, 12, or 13 most certainly does not possess the emotional maturity or faculties to make any sort of truly informed decision when signing these ludicrous contracts, regardless of their parents' involvement in the process. And I won't even go into the absurdity of you implying that an illegal contract becomes somehow magically acceptable and binding by virtue of mom and dad signing off on it.

I think you missed my point. They're governed by different laws because of the national security trajectory of their employment, and soldiers got to be adults. It's government laws for the soldiers; it's just company policies for the idols that they have to follow. For soldiers, it's a matter of life or death, not only for themselves but for those they protect, and so the necessary higher requirements.

You could easily replace the word "idol" with "slave" in this article and wouldn't read any different. Poor girls are just slaves. This article reminds me of my boyfriend's boss: He makes him work from 10am to 11pm so we can't have any privacy or spend a nice evening together thumbs up This country is sick.

Where do I even begin with the "absurdity" of what you talked about? For starters, you stated that the core demographic of the idol industry are middle-aged MEN. It's not, not even by a long shot. To even imply that it's middle-aged men means you've been drinking the media Kool-aid like everyone else who has never attended an idol concert, or been to an idol handshake event.

I have done these things MANY times, and just based on hundreds of hours of my own personal observation, I actually see more teenage boys than anyone else, followed by young girls, and kids.

So yeah, unless you've seen it firsthand, you are just perpetuating the same falsehoods that the media is doing, and so your argument is instantly moot to me in this regard. Sexual titillation? The entire idol industry to you is nothing more than flesh market? Did it ever occur to you that maybe an enormous amount of idol fans love the music, the dancing, and the personalities of the girls more than their looks?

In fact, if you look at a lot of the AKB girls, there aren't too many that are easy on the eyes And sure, there are some really, really beautiful girls in AKB, and some of these beauties do gravure work, but why shouldn't they?

If they are blessed with perfect bodies, should they just all wear habits and hide what they've been naturally blessed with? I'm obviously not talking about the underage girls, or at least I hope you realize that. But honestly And there are some phenomenally talented singers in groups like AKB.

Ever hear Sayanee sing? She is beyond incredible. And dancing wise?

Put Matsui Jurina next to the world's best dancers, and she can stand her own easily with them. So saying they are just a bunch of meat puppets is actually really, really insulting.

There are MANY idols in the industry who have extraordinary talents and personalities, and the management pushes that more than anything else.

In fact, I just watched an AKB variety show in which dealt with them talking to Japanese teenagers about real world issues, like suicide, not having self-esteem, and bullying. AKB can get sexy at times, but it's not what it's about at all. Out of their songs, around 4 songs suggest anything even remotely sexual Want tittillation? You must be thinking of K-POP my friend. I don't see how I'm being absurd at all by stating that the parents of a young Japanese girl who wants to become an idol don't have lawyers who look over the contracts for them and help them make an informed decision on whether or not to sign the contract because it somehow is exploitative of children.

There must be a lot of lawyers in Japan who don't know what they are doing, I guess. Or worse, you imply that a lot of parents wouldn't pull their child out of an idol group if they felt even a little bit that there was a problem or their child was suffering from it. You aren't giving a lot of credit to Japanese families, and that's kind of sad to me.

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Even if an idol contract states that a person can't enter into a sexual relationship, that's actually legal even in Western worlds. Look at companies that prohibit co-workers from dating, or once again, soldiers who sign a contract and aren't allowed to have sex for several months while going through basic training.

It's the same thing If a soldier is too busy having sex, he might not learn how to shoot a gun, and that could mean his friends could die next to him in battle because he can't defend them. And if an idol starts having sex, she may start screwing up, or worse, if she ends up breaking up with a boyfriend, she might not be able to focus or have a chance to really do her job properly, and she hurts the group as a whole as a result.

Again, it's Japanese group mentality thinking Last point Everyone knows Japanese women rule Japan. I'm married to a Japanese woman, who by the way fully supports the idol world and sees it as an absolutely positive force in Japan, and she would be the first to tell you that women in Japan have made HUGE leaps and strides in the past twenty years, and once again, it's a media perpetuated myth that women in Japan are somehow far, far behind.

Want proof? Look up who is the most successful and richest Japanese musical artist living today and who made the most money in the past ten years. Hint: It's a woman. Yes, there are tons of instances where I remember watching something with AKB and as soon as it was like 9pm or 10pm or something, all the younger AKB members had to leave and go home. No, I'm looking at these contracts from the modern world. Fair labor practices or treating employees as human beings isn't a Western world, it's a civilized one.

There is nothing about these contracts that are for the betterment of the group. Everyone is hardly being treated equal. Japan does many things right, but the "idol culture" or the treatment of idols isn't one of them.

And you know they don't have a problem with this how? You think these girls like having to sneak around, being shamed in the media when they're seen leaving apartments or these girls enjoy crying on TV and apologizing and or shaving their head because they are guilty of dating for god's sake?

Cos if if there was it would be reported by the stellar news media here. Of course! Japan's entertainment industry is slacking, oftentimes just boring in part because of these kinds of ruthless and mostly hidden practices, with corrupt old men on top of everything. Did you just bring up Minami's head shaving scandal?

I can't even talk about this anymore with you, considering that was one incident, a knee jerk reaction, and now a funny joke among all the AKB members that didn't do anything at all to Minami's career. In fact, she's now a captain of one of AKB's team, and one of the most respected and treasured idols in the idol world. Yep, that really hurt her. Or uh, hey, what about Sasshi? She had a scandal, screwed around, and now is the current number one ranked AKB member, getting the most votes any member in AKB's history has ever received during their annual Sousenkyo.

Me thinks not. Fair is relative, don't you think? And clearly you are invoking the Western concept of "fair" when you are talking about contracts in Japan. Idols are treated very, very fairly by their management and agencies, unless giving idols spots in TV commercials, variety shows, making them superstars and worshipped by all, and helping them go on after being an idol to become famous actresses or seiyus or solo artists is "unfair. And yeah, management makes money of the pursuit of these dreams by the girls, but, duh, that's modern capitalism You still haven't said a single thing that is verifiable proof that idols are this oppressed working class who have it so bad.

They don't, and I've provided many instances of proof of this. But how this has anything to do with the idol world is where I take objection The highest paid musician in Japan is a female, and a former idol, and if things were as bad and as mysogynistic as everyone claims the idol world to be, this couldn't happen. More to the point, the idol world isn't a reflection of Japan's lack of gender progression, but a reflection of empowerment.

The problem is that articles like the one we're discussing now are built on baseless facts that continue to only point out the very few missteps the idol world has had, and call that the norm. It's not, and the problem that keeps happening is that all the people who criticize the idol world actually have ZERO experience with it, and only read and see what media say about it, all of which is, of course, the negative stuff, because negative sells in the news.

Spend five hours today, watch every AKB program you can online, rent the AKB documentary The Show Must Go On, and witness the incredible works of charity these girls did for the tsunami victims of Japan and still dodeal with growing up as national idols, feel like failures and cry because they couldn't perform well live at their first Dome tour and NOT because they had a scandal, and most of all, listen to how educated and smart and incredibly perceptive and STRONG the girls are in AKB in this documentary.

If you can honestly look me in the face afterwards and say there is some kind of gender equality problem in the idol world, well I can't say what I want to say here, but it involves you doing something to nuts. I know many Japanese who have contracts as part time employees and they are not informed of their legal holiday entitlement under the labour law and or even take any holiday entitlement, as many employees are ignorant of the law and when they are aware they feel they are breaking the harmony if they point out their legal right to their employers.

It's not. Have you ever been to one of these AKB48 cafes? I mean the customers going there. Obviously not. First of all, they're not "naturally blessed".

A former member of Japanese mega-girl group AKB48 surprised fans this week after announcing that she just got married to a man who. Getting a boyfriend can be literally career-destroying for a Japanese idol; she's either Are male idols in Japan also not allowed to date?. As far as I know, Japanese law makes it illegal for contract to ban idol dating, so technically A pop star, a tv star, a movie star, you name it.

Many of gravures do have plastic surgery AND many of them are underage. Or wear school uniforms to please Japanese middle age men. No need to deny that. I'm married to a Japanese woman, who by the way fully supports the idol world and sees it as an absolutely positive force in Japan, and she would be the first to tell you that women in Japan have made HUGE leaps and strides in the past twenty years.

What the How long have you been living here? Obviously not long enough. Turn on your TV tonight and tell me more about Japanese women empowerment. Many idols are teenagers. Contractual obligation is good for them.

No boyfriends during teen years means no early or unwanted pregnancy. Besides that they have already well established in their career and enviable bank account before they become adult. One Idol success is good for her collages, her company and her parents.

When the iron is hot, sword smith needs to strike it very hard for making quality swords. Idols will not young forever. Harry Potter movie sequels have made all Child actors hit the jackpot before they have grown up. Emma Watson is a Millionaire before she can vote for election.

Those girls have freedom to refuse to sign the contract. Their parents have also agreed their girls choices. I prefer teenagers are contributing the Japanese economy and their families bank account with their talents instead of becoming teen mothers and drug addicts from other western nations. Japan needs more AKB48 for teen pop culture export. God bless the idols, fans and management teams. The last time I was there, there was a young girl there who travelled all the way from Hokkaido to visit the cafe with her mother.

She kept looking at the coaster I received for ordering my drink, the one that has a random AKB girl's face on it, and I gave it to her.

She was thrilled. Since you obviously are speaking rather contemptuously about idol groups and their music, my guess is you just don't like idol music, so that's an unwinnable argument. To each his own on that one. Gravure girls in Japan are usually, on average, quite natural. As for wearing school uniforms to please Japanese middle age men, where are you coming up with that?

Can you provide proof of that? Because to me, it's more practical Make sense? I've lived in Japan for over 8 years, been to hundreds of idol shows, seen thousands of TV programs You must be watching Middle Eastern TV programs.

The last show I just saw was a Japanese variety show that featured three girls kicking every guy's butt on the program, followed by a dorama starring a female as the lead role, and that was followed by a popular female newscaster giving a pretty sweet report about some coffee shop in Kameido. And in between all of these things were commercials featuring several ex-AKB members and current ones too. Yep, Japanese women are really, really oppressed aren't they? Show business has always required much more sacrifice than any other line of work.

The ultimate prize of fame and riches means that people will do anything to be one of the few who come out on top. Nobody is forcing them - they have to want it badly. Talking about it as though it's just another line of work is ridiculous. If people knew what some of their favorite stars were willing to do to make it in Hollywood, they would be quite shocked. Not all of them, but many of them have done some very distasteful things to get ahead. You can't legislate this stuff away.

When there is something that so many people want so badly, the gatekeepers are going to be harsh and often corrupt. AKB is not Johnnys. At least they try to keep the girls away from sex, not coerce them into it. Seriously, it's like this every single time I get on here, which is usually when something is written about AKB or about the idol world in general. I hate that most people think something I love so deeply is this profound cesspool of vile manipulation.

It's almost comical to see this many people believe so blindly the things they hear and read in the media about AKB and about idol groups in general. And you are right, the Johnny's They have some serious problems in their units, but go to any AKB show, and I can probably guarantee most guys wouldn't even want to have sex with any of the AKB girls, simply because it's more about protecting them and supporting them than thinking you could ever get with them. Not once. That's saying something.

Also, somebody mentioned that Momoiro Clover Z is going to hold an all male show In fact, AKB has had TONS of all female only shows at the Akihabara theater in their past, and recently, Paruru from AKB reported she is going to do a female only meet and greet for anyone who buys her fashion book that is coming out. This kind of thing completely trounces any idea that the idol world is setup solely for pervy old men.

Nope, it isn't, and there are so many factual examples to prove it, versus the media's portrayal of the idol world as evil, and yet no media article so far has been able to give any evidence of this actually being true, at least as far as AKB and some of the larger idol groups in Japan is concerned. Feeding young, and middle aged men images of underage girls in skimpy costumes will just make them more feel its ok to date or have sexual relations with minors. This isn't the case at all, and if you were to attend even a single idol event, you'll see this to be true.

In a recent documentary put out objectively about AKB, it showed Sasshi, the queen ace and arguably one of the most in demand and busiest idols in the entire world, going to spend time with her Grandma to eat with her and talk about old times. In a similar documentary, the next Soukantoku for Akb, Yokoyama Yui, went home to vote in the national elections in Japan, along with her father. She spent time with them and celebrated with them. Work did not come home with her.

In a past variety show, it was discussed how Mayuyu Watanabe went to Hawaii on vacation with other AKB members, to enjoy three days of fun and private time. Do I really need to go on?

I caution anyone who reads articles like this one on JT to really stop and look at actual FACTS, not supposed "anonymous" people in the idol industry talking about how devious management has to be to keep their employees in check. Nobody drank kool-aid.

We are talking common sense that perhaps the idols want sufficient time of privacy rather than being followed by the camera when she's taking a trip with her family. And I swear people nowadays uses the word 'objective' too much, it lost its true meaning. Do Japanese documentaries ever show the ugly side of Idol business like sometimes how there is a lunatic at an autograph event trying to injure the girls with a knife?

If there's one, I'd like to see. There's a daihon, there are multiple uchiawase, and there's always more than one take.

Of course it didn't. There was no script, no director, no rottweiler AD, no cameramen, lighting or location vans. And that is sick. It is scary that a corporation can control a person's life to that degree. Young people's brain aren't fully developed. This means they aren't able to foresee consequences of their actions very well, so of course they don't know how big a deal it is when they sign these contracts. It IS a demanding job, but there are many, many other very demanding jobs, yet this is pretty much the only industry where dating isn't allowed.

Isn't that odd? You keep talking about documentaries. Even if these documentaries are produced by third-party companies, do you really think the idols' managers and so on will allow them to show just anything?

I bet they've had a hand in the finished product, as to not cause drama. You also talk about how it's been tradition in Japan, how the government naturally would have gotten rid of it if it was bad, but this shows that you're the one who doesn't quite understand Japan. Let me tell you about something else the government haven't been quite willing to get rid of: the Yakuza. Not exactly angels, they are allowed to thrive and run their businesses, because they generate money and huge support to political figures of their choice.

Just because something has been going on for long and the government hasn't gotten rid of it, it doesn't mean it's a good thing. I don't care what you believe; If the talent handler's first conclusion about a girl needing to know her schedule is because she has a boyfriend As quoted in the articlethen something is off. Moreover, as just said, documentaries are work.

On top of that, as you said, documentaries were made to show people "look! You're asking for facts, but frankly the situation for women as a whole in this country is enough for me to believe these girls are treated like trash. If they had, that would be considered "work. There are plenty of things they've got wrong for years. Your example of the Yakuza is a good example. However, why would the government of Japan get rid of the idol world?

I think the Japanese government realizes there is something inherently good about the idol world, and all the good it does for Japan as a whole.

You could argue, I suppose, it's at the expense of the young girls who are involved in it, but everyone constantly forgets that nobody is forcing these girls to do anything they don't want to. They are surrounded by adults who take care of them and try to help them with their issues and problems they have. You are assuming that the Japanese people who are in the position to care for the idols they work with don't know how to have compassion, or don't have the ability to understand the psychological development of young teenagers.

You would think psychology isn't taught in Japan to anyone. Correction: idols may be part of overall documentary efforts that relate to the group, but all idols can decide for themselves if they want to be part of a documentary showcasing their personal side of things. It's not required. That's beyond misleading to even suggest this. I'm talking close friends, or close enough that you would know intimate details of their contract.

So we all know about the dating rules for J-pop idols. But I'm just curious I mean there are veteran groups like Perfume or Arashi. The Arashi. A Japanese pop idol, hair freshly shaved to the skin, takes to YouTube and bursts into tears as she begs for mercy over her transgression. "We have to admit that forbidding pop idols to date by claiming compensation for damage goes too far," Judge Hara said in his ruling, according.

They're obligated to tell fans sugar coated nonsense to keep them buying their goods. If an idol was truly free to do whatever they wanted in their free time, why would they not be able to date? And if that integral part of social interaction is being blocked, it's not really hard to imagine other things being stretched This includes a close friend who is still part of AKB. I feel like I'm just batting my head against a brick wall at how nobody is giving even the slightest bit of attention to the fact that many, many girls in the idol world actually don't WANT to be in relationships because it will inhibit their growth as entertainment artists.

And many girls who decide they want to be in relationships quit and devote themselves to those relationships. Not one. This is another assumption that people make People put off dating and not being with members of the opposite sex all the time for a greater good, such as to be part of a musical act solely focused on working hard at being idols. Yet this concept seems to be really impossible for people here to grasp, and that it is somehow psychologically destructive to a young teenage girl if she doesn't get her first kiss at age 15 and has sex by age 16, or is "forced" to be onstage in front of thousands of fans of all ages and sexes, and then treated like goddesses offstage by staff and fans alike.

People need to actually spend time looking at the idol world they are condemning, instead of holding onto enormous assumptions about what really goes on with idol groups as a whole.

Djv: Fired? Oh yes You seem to forget that here in Japan or not know that for contractual reasons, it is incredibly difficult to fire people, in many businesses. Case and point Jin Akanishi from Johnny's.

People who really want to do exceptional things make sacrifices. Olympic athletes are often teens and young adults who have dedicated nearly all of their time outside of school to perfecting their sport. Professional athletes are similar. Kids who really want to get into a selective college pack their schedule with extracurriculars and spend more time on their studies than their peers.

Kids in idol groups want to perform. Some, perhaps many, take performance classes for years before entering a group. Talent agencies are like car dealerships. Some take advantage of you. Others treat you well for the lifetime of your car. Some people will go to a shady car dealer, never perceive problems with the transaction or the car, and be happy with their experience.

Others will be treated like gold at a good dealership, but find themselves unhappy with the service, or even find that the car isn't what they expected. I won't criticize kids for wanting to be idols.

I won't criticize fans for liking what they like. There is supply and demand on all fronts, so the idol industry exists. I do think it's important to enforce child labor standards and sanction or shut down agencies that don't comply. If society thinks the child labor standards aren't strong enough, people need to lobby to change them.

For "don't WANT to be in relationships because it will inhibit their growth as entertainment artists," read scared witless. These are dysfunctional humans leading unnatural lives, which will be the downfall of this country.

People need the love that adoring fans can't provide, in order to grow into real stars, not the cookie-cutter malleable mediocrity that the Jimusho regurgitate with painful predictability. Harvey I'm not saying these girls or their legal guardians don't know what is in the contracts, I'm saying just because a worker signs a contract, it doesn't make a contract right with the demands it's asking.

So parent are mentally incapable to going through a lawyer to have some legal advice to their children? Can you answer me that what is purpose of a lawyer in this life if isn't seeking legal help to not getting screw up in this lifetime? Yes because people just stand up, I don't know if you like J-Pop or any kind of Japanese music but if you do, don't buy any music of any kind of the music label from Japanese music label record because you're contributed this companies continued doing that, as your information consumer make companies growing.

So like I say they can't going through a lawyer? Like Bill Gates says " if you born poor isn't not your fault, but if you die poor is your fault". Here is not excuses if you are not able to read or understand a contract go to a lawyer if your legal guardians or parents are ignorants or mentally incapable to reason so go to a lawyer.

It's just simple common sense. When you don't know nothing about any topic what you do in your life? You seek help right? Because no man born to know everything about anything.

Or Ohori Megumi. Or Mikapon Or Maeda Atsuko Or Yuko Oshima, another horribly dysfunctional girl who did nothing less than guest commentate on the World Cup the day after her graduation.

And none of the girls mentioned above have, since leaving AKB, been in any kind of scandal, or problem, or broken any kind of Japanese laws.

And every single one of the girls I just mentioned, except for Ohori, were around 14 when they started in AKB. Yep, horribly dysfunctional all right. Kaynide: I don't disagree with you that there might be bullying with contracts. That is definitely seen with Johnny idols, but I'm not defending them.

I don't know much about them or care to know much about them. As far as the girls in AKB go, which is where I'm basing all of my arguments, that just doesn't happen. I asked my friend in AKB about this and she kind of laughed and told me that it's a give and take with management, but it isn't coercion ever when it comes to a girl wanting to leave AKB.

However, I won't deny that coercion might exist a lot more in Japan than, say, in America. Japanese people love to take the side road when it comes to avoiding direct confrontation. Minami Minegishi, the girl who "shaved her head," did so innot last year, so right there, it's clear you have NO idea what you're talking about. Also, she wasn't forced to do it. She did it on her own accord, as it was a knee jerk reaction to the fact that she had been caught breaking the rules of AKB. She's a first generation member, one of three first gens left in AKB, which means she's been doing this for 10 years.

The thought of losing something she has wholly dedicated her life too, she has explained, is why she did it. But she really didn't think about it either. AKB's management didn't approve it even one bit.

Also, it's now a point of silliness among AKB members. Miichan has made so many jokes about it by this point that the real issue here is the fact people keep dragging it up as their only defense to the whole idol groups shouldn't employ kids argument. In fact, Miichan is doing better than most people in AKB these days, and remember people, idols aren't perfect, they just pretend to be.

Lets not forget that compulsory education here finishes at 15 years of age, this means that High school is voluntary and the system and teachers control what students wear and do in school as well as after school, this means that many are not permitted to take part-time jobs or have a social life.

These are rules and they do not need a contract to follow the rules, they do it because that is what they want to do, the same as the girls in these idol groups. Idol otaku are some of the worst otaku. Case in point, this article and people who vehemently defend the idol industry when it's basically a form of modern indentured servitude. I agree with djv that most of the idol obsessives don't even imagine having sex with their idols. Because their eunuchs. You are not the same djv who posts on an akb48 forum with similar gusto.

Just a coincidence. I was confused. To place restrictive contractual 'fidelity-chastity' ordination clauses, a gross example of avarice, under scored by these miserable Idol management agencies cynically, callous exploitative manipulation to strike Faustian bargainsamounts to a flagrant abuse of human rights. All Infringing the very basic ability for a young person to develop and appreciate natural, emotional, intellectual, and social milestones, that associate rapid physical changes during that roller coaster ride between puberty and adolescence.

I have accompanied nephews and nieces to 9nine and Dream5 events and witnessed grown middle-aged men divulging in inappropriate behavior commiserate to borderline, emotionally unstable, personality disorders. How can any society tolerate a fandom's demand that a young persons emotional health and well-being, be contractually restricted by claustrophobic confinement of commercial liability?

I don't have a clue how you can make that claim, as it is actually considered exceptional when a Hollywood starlet doesn't exploit her body these days. But I wasn't even talking about them. I was talking about the more sordid stuff behind closed doors that isn't talked about publicly. That stuff is rampant in Hollywood, or anywhere there is an entertainment industry. It only becomes public on rare occasions like the recent exposure of Bill Cosby.

But he is just one of many. Sure, the AKB kids don't have a normal teenage life. Neither do teenage gold medalists at the Olympics, ballerinas, models, teenage TV stars, or any other kid who has chosen to take that route to success. The competitive drive needed to get to the top doesn't allow for a normal life on the side. I wouldn't recommend it for most kids, but there will always be plenty who can't be dissuaded from that route.

Google any Hollywood starlet, now google any Japanese "talento". Compare which one has more gravure-bikini pictures. I do not think your claim is accurate. Sure, you can claim house hold names like the Kardashians.

A handful of people or so. In Japan, posing half naked is almost a right of passage into the entertainment business for girls.

It's widely known in Japan that idol singers are often contractually prohibited from That's why in addition to legal pledges not to date, the Japanese Yes because people just stand up, I don't know if you like J-Pop or any. To prevent their images from being shattered, they are expected not to engage in dating anyone.,Related posts: A J-Pop Group Made up of.

There are two accepted methods for thwarting the no dating rule; 1 become so popular that the company decides they would rather not cut loose their money maker, and 2 date one of the company executives. That was fine. And public Univ accepted one girl inOnly a girl who did not e]walk like a girl. It does not seem unreasonable for an entertainment company to safeguard the underage girls under their charge.

For those who are above the age of consent they have a choice to pursue their careers as idols for companies that require the dating ban or for an agency that does not. I would assume that these ladies are capable of making decisions in their own best interests. Wolfpack" Whar you wrote was a question by moonllaker. I think the no dating policy is a bit extreme and I'm not a big fan of the music, But, comparing their lives to slavery is a bit over the top.

They stay for the money and fame. That's a choice they make. How bad their life is, is nothing next to someone who has no choice. These young ladies are elite entertainment stars, their lives are always and the lives of the other celebrities are all faked for our consumption. That's the job in this lifestyle. Again, they are making lots of money and if they want they can stop making the money and turn their back on the fame.

Whar you wrote was a question by moonllaker. Don't the girls and young women have a choice?

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